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Brd ->UFO Debate Forum
Numb ->125 of 133
Sub ->Re: "Ducks & Saucers & Spheres"
To ->MICHAEL GRAHAM (#107)
From ->DON MASON (#145)
Date ->09/14/88 05:31:08 PM
Hey Mike, I didn`t say that I was overwhelmed, it just appeared that maybe
you thought that you could overwhelm some of the people. I`m not shy , if I
don`t know of a certain world it doesn`t bother me to look it up. At the same
time I do know that some people do have complex`s about their make up and will
do what they can to divert others away, to mask what they are lacking.
Might I add that you do a good job on your word processor, ok!!!!!!!
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Brd ->UFO Debate Forum
Numb ->126 of 133
Sub ->Re: "Ducks & Saucers & Spheres"
To ->DON F ECKER (#17)
From ->MICHAEL GRAHAM (#107)
Date ->09/14/88 10:36:00 PM
O, my Antonio, I do know of these
That therefore only are reputed wise
For saying nothing; when, I am very sure,
If they should speak, would almost damn those ears
Which, hearing them, would call their brothers fools.
--Shakespeare, MERCHANT OF VENICE,I.i.95-99.
It happened as the Autumn evening set cool foot into the
settling dust of Summer. In reaching for a flower, Jacob was
stung by a bee. His sobs soaked my dress and he shivered in my
arms as the warmth of his finger made a puddle of the ice held
against it. The sobs quieted, the shivering stopped as the
evening folded around us but Jacob's childhood was gone, dashed
off into the faded light of Summer's end.
--Michael K. Graham, "A Flick of Feathered Scale [Ch 7, pg. 17]"
Deception is assumed, when fanciful claims are made, because the
burden of proof is upon those who make them. But there are those
who shall always believe, cling with tenacity to the flickering
light at Summer's end. Because they believe, they want others to
believe, imputing the skeptic with heresy. Their cries languish,
their visions evanesce. The flowering of faith withers in their
passing, leaving the cold root of reason to sprout anew.
400 years ago, a little girl named Abigail Williams cried,
"witch!" Doctors and lawyers, tailors and soldiers believed and
were afraid. A mephitic reek of fear came to the town and before
a breeze of reason could clear it, hundreds were dead, slain in
the most inhumane ways imaginable.
There seems unavailable a way to inculculate the lesson
demonstrated by that and other dark ages of human history. A
stochastic outbreak of like sightings and people fall their
mental knees. They're a miasma, spreading disease in geometric
progression from themselves, convincing others with stories of
inimical aliens, breeding unwarranted fear.
The Holocost is engraved in the terminated genealogical tree of
thousands of families. It is burned into the earth by mass
graves that are still being found. Hundreds of thousands of feet
of film, not imbued with imaginative life by a belief that it
must be 'hidden somewhere.' are available to anyone with the
stomach to watch. They are clear and evident and come from a
time that had little ability to alter their testimony, you can
date the celluloid. There is no comparison.
Within the scope of this argument, I suggest that hysteria is
possible on the scale implied, over the area implied, in the time
implied. There is always something going on. The rajneesh eats
tonight as do you.B
Brd ->UFO Debate Forum
Numb ->127 of 133
Sub ->Re: Evolving life
To ->JUSTIN BOGGS (#128)
From ->JIM SPEISER (#56)
Date ->09/15/88 07:46:10 PM
Justin:
Really don't have time to get into this with you, but your figures don't
tell the whole story. (Assuming their correct in the first place). Since
the beginning of time, there may have been 10 to the 64 different per-
mutations occuring, making the chances against such proteins NOT evolving
approximately 10 to 1. I don't stand behind my figures, but I'd be willing
to bet they are conservative.
Its like saying that the chances against four people playing bridge being
dealt hands that consisted of A-K in each suit. The odds against something
like that occuring are something like a quadrillion to one -- ON ANY ONE
HAND. But given all the bridge hands that have been played since the game
was invented, its bound to occur some time -- as it once did, in champ-
ionship play.
Jim
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Brd ->UFO Debate Forum
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Sub ->Re: "Ducks & Saucers & Spheres"
To ->MICHAEL GRAHAM (#107)
From ->DON F ECKER (#17)
Date ->09/15/88 10:56:42 PM
Words learned by rote a parrot may rehearse,
But talking is not always to converse;
Not more distinct from harmony divine,
The constant creaking of a country sign.
William Cowper
Impossible is a word only to be found in
the dictionary of fools.
Napoleon
Yes Michael, I know that you suggest that
the events in the Hudson Valley may be
hysteria. witnesses that are employed to
guard nuclear power stations, police officers
that guard the community, military personal that
are responsible for the welfare of the nation,
airline pilots, school teachers, scientists
accountants, attorneys, reporters, all these
people suffering mass hysteria over a 4 year
period. How silly of me, now I wish I had
studied psychology, talk about a ready made
client group, makes my wallet tremble just to
think about it. I could afford that 1400 LT,
buy a new stereo, get that washer for my wife,
take those flying lessons, get Michael a new
updated Websters......................N81N
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Sub ->UFOs and Straw Men
To ->Michael Graham
From ->JIM SPEISER (#56)
Date ->09/16/88 01:26:58 AM
Hellooooooooo Boise.....
Mr. Graham, I've been reading with great interest your posts in the UFO
debate section here. You seem to be a master debater -- verbally
speaking.
Yet for all your elocutionary aplomb, you seem to be missing a few vital
points. For example, you state that the "appearance of authenticity is
insufficient." Insufficient for what? For proof? Certainly. To qualify
as bearing discussion and inquiry? Hardly. Why do you and others insist
on painting ufology into the corner of requiring absolute, undeniable
proof before it can be taken seriously? Surely no one here is claiming
to have proof that "UFOs are aliens and the government knows it." All we
are saying is that, A) Anomalous data exists in the form of various
reports which exhibit curious consistency, B) said data SUGGESTS
intelligent control and/or government knowledge of the extraordinary
nature of the phenomenon, C) insufficient prosaic explanations have been
advanced to bring the data in line with the current scientific paradigm,
D) the ET Hypothesis is sufficiently wondrous and substantial in its
potential benefits to merit serious consideration; E) insufficient
theoretical arguments have been advanced against said hypothesis. That's
it. We do NOT say, "AND THEREFORE ITS ALIENS," as you repeatedly accuse Phil
Imbrogno (and by extension, us) of saying. We do say, "AND THEREFORE,
STOP LAUGHING AND HELP US FIND OUT WHAT THE HELL IS GOING ON!"
None of this is to be construed as an entreatise to cease your skeptical
input. On the contrary, ParaNet will not survive without such input, for
that is our raison d'etre. But we do ask that such input be offered in
an even-handed manner, that is, without the use of straw-man arguments
such as your "and therefore its aliens," or your implication that we are
claiming to have proved our case. Instead of bemoaning the proof we
don't have, try addressing the data we do.
Jim Speiser
Alpha
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